Edited to add: This post HAS got past the spam thing, I’m too impatient with these computers, anyhow i will leave this post here, since i would like to have some dialouge with feminists and PUA around the themes that PUArtistry throws up. I will write a more extensive post on these aims here in due course.
Stupid title i know but i thought it sounded like PU community talk so i just couldn’t resisit it. Anyway what is presented below is a post i made on the excellent thinking girl blog thread on feminist critique of PUA ideology.
http://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/professional-pick-up-artists-run-woman-tricking-business-to-help-guys-get-laid/
Unfortunately, my posts resemble spam thus the spam blocker blocked it so im going to post it here anyhow just in case anybody should be intrested in reading it.
One of the little-understood facts of the PUA community is that PUAs and PUA gurus are constantly trying to “neg” and “AMOG” those who are not of their group or school or method, or someone who they deem as a rival for their “target’s” attentions.
Negs are definitely popular within the PU community but they are by no means deemed as universal. I have posted a couple of posts I discovered after a quick web search to give a couple of examples to demonstrate this point.
http://direct-method.net/invisionboard/index.php?showtopic=2489
Last night I was explaining to my wing, a guy with Aspergers, how negging is dumb because it is used to cut girls down. I told him that it comes from lack of inner game, because by doing it, you are automatically assuming the girl is of higher value, or better than you. Then you cut her down out of insecurity and revenge for this “subjective” fact. This is a bad mindset. You are being reactive because you place her frame higher than your own. I told him you could never get too far with this girl because you are already assuming she is better than you, and IF she stays with you, she will only do so if you keep cutting her down, putting her in her place per se. she would have to be pretty low self-esteem to take this as well.
http://direct-method.net/invisionboard/index.php?s=&showtopic=2489&view=findpost&p=18403
By “negging” you are demonstrating lower value, as well as trying to qualify yourself to her.
The point of negging is to bring her down a notch or two. That automatically sub-communicates that she is above you, and that you have to try to bring her down to “your level”
The other point of negging is to show that you are not intimidated by her beauty, and that you feel comfortable enough around HB9’s and 10’s to the point where you can behave that way around them, but it just sub-communicates that you are also trying to qualify yourself to her at the same time.
“I negged you, because I’m not intimidated by you” so to speak.
It’s like when you’re about to get into a fight, and your opponent says “I’m not afraid of you” or “You don’t want to fight me”
By saying that, it shows that he is indeed afraid of you, but he’s trying to convince you he’s not.
Same principle applies to “negging”
With regards to ”arms dealing” and Neil Streuss, I was just arguing essentially that this ‘arm dealing’ thing is a precedent that has already been done by David DeAngelo. (At least according to the wikipedia article). But from my own personal experience with ALL PUA gurus (including the ones that I have a wee bit of a leaning towards), are all in it for the money, and just like any good capitalist, the best way to maxamise returns is through finding new markets. Reminds me of the growing male cosmetic industry, some bright spark in some boardroom had the epiphany that there was another 50% of the population that was an untapped potential market.
Neil Streuss has proven with the creation of the “annhilation method” his quasi nepotisitic marketing as the ‘worlds greatest pickup artist’ with a source that was far from objective demonstrates that his first concern is with his bankaccount, not with his conscience.